RT @EricTopol: Postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome (POTS) can occur after Covid and in the 90-day period following vaccination. It is…
@DidacticaStar @Marshal42872924 @AlexBerenson Same results are happening (in vulnerable folks) from vax *and* virus. We can't believe effects from one & mock those from other. https://t.co/aRvIavixiA
@ValeBodi @zeynep @Dysautonomia Sure thing: https://t.co/aRvIavixiA
@LexsWorld @WesElyMD @DrEricDing Yes some may have an adverse vaccine reaction. A few of us are connecting dots: same basd outcomes can arise from both👇🏽. But hard to have conversation when you'll say it's mental if from virus but real if from vax. Let's t
@KevinBardosh @KrugAlli @ID_ethics @TrudoLemmens @s_keshavjee @MartyMakary @sdbaral @TracyBethHoeg I tend to agree with your conclusion, but it's impossible to take you seriously if you keep ignoring the adverse outcome that arises 50x as often as myocardi
RT @NarfGb: 2/ Nice headline: Cardiac Testing at Washington Event Found 53% Myocarditis Rate https://t.co/n1Rd9z0bwd (deleted NARF!) ht…
RT @MdJpn: 大腿骨骨折の緊急入院が急増中。高齢者は大腿骨頸部骨折で入院すると、認知症進行、フレイル、寝たきりになりやすい。衰弱性自立神経系障害=姿勢起立性頻脈症候群も疑わないといけない。たしかに、突然脈が速くなると訴える患者にときどき遭遇する。これもC-VAD(コロワ…
RT @morilyn1123: コロナ感染や接種後にPOTS(体位性頻脈症候群: 起立時などに頻脈となり動悸やめまいが出現)が増加するという報告がありました。感染で2倍、接種で1.5倍。 https://t.co/FkMz245aJy 脳血流の低下を招きbrain fogと関…
RT @morilyn1123: コロナ感染や接種後にPOTS(体位性頻脈症候群: 起立時などに頻脈となり動悸やめまいが出現)が増加するという報告がありました。感染で2倍、接種で1.5倍。 https://t.co/FkMz245aJy 脳血流の低下を招きbrain fogと関…
RT @morilyn1123: POTSには副腎不全に起因するものもあるようです。低コルチゾールとlong COVIDの関連が言われていますが、もしかすると一元的にステロイド補充が有効かも知れない。マイルドに対処する場合、ステロイド作用を持つ甘草を多く含む漢方などが奏功するか…
RT @morilyn1123: コロナ感染や接種後にPOTS(体位性頻脈症候群: 起立時などに頻脈となり動悸やめまいが出現)が増加するという報告がありました。感染で2倍、接種で1.5倍。 https://t.co/FkMz245aJy 脳血流の低下を招きbrain fogと関…
RT @morilyn1123: POTSには副腎不全に起因するものもあるようです。低コルチゾールとlong COVIDの関連が言われていますが、もしかすると一元的にステロイド補充が有効かも知れない。マイルドに対処する場合、ステロイド作用を持つ甘草を多く含む漢方などが奏功するか…
@leashless @1goodtern Agreed. There are other heart irregularities with evidence that *both* virus & vax can lead to the same outcome. We need to start turning this into a scientific issue & major humanity challenge, not a moral or political footba
@cptndemocracy64 @dr_jon_l One form is tachycardia upon standing. Very clear! Shown to be triggered by either vax or virus. https://t.co/aRvIavixiA
RT @morilyn1123: コロナ感染や接種後にPOTS(体位性頻脈症候群: 起立時などに頻脈となり動悸やめまいが出現)が増加するという報告がありました。感染で2倍、接種で1.5倍。 https://t.co/FkMz245aJy 脳血流の低下を招きbrain fogと関…
RT @morilyn1123: コロナ感染や接種後にPOTS(体位性頻脈症候群: 起立時などに頻脈となり動悸やめまいが出現)が増加するという報告がありました。感染で2倍、接種で1.5倍。 https://t.co/FkMz245aJy 脳血流の低下を招きbrain fogと関…
@dfreedman7 I have no idea how often movement disorders arise, but we now have solid temporal association data on POTS, which is also oft wrongly considered psychological despite its clearly abnormal objective finding. Let's not be roundabout. We need big
@JohnMasonMSP @ScottAnd67 Member John, please digest this report regarding post vax POTS at a quite high rate. POTS is a condition that has only gotten a proper ICD code in Oct 2022. We’re flying more blind than many would care to admit. https://t.co/aRvIa
@dathfarofa @PaulaMuller2022 @brushoXPTO @felipeneto @LulaOficial @AndreJanonesAdv @elonmusk https://t.co/s1NtcA9V7s Esse aqui é um estudo tá? mas vc não vai ler pq não sabe ingles
RT @vijayiyer312: @elisaperego78 @drclairetaylor @CovidSolidarit1 @1goodtern After seeing this data showing myocarditis happens 10-100x les…
@elisaperego78 @drclairetaylor @CovidSolidarit1 @1goodtern After seeing this data showing myocarditis happens 10-100x less than POTS, my bigger concern is we're under emphasizing chronic illness https://t.co/aRvIavixiA
@vvalkyri @michaelmina_lab @stewak2 @AdithyaR_YXE @BryanH0073 Yet it's far from clear that vax is a help for the 'syndromic' sequelae that tend to arise from minor/mild acute. In fact it may be just the opposite. https://t.co/aRvIavixiA
RT @EricTopol: Postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome (POTS) can occur after Covid and in the 90-day period following vaccination. It is…
@cjmaddison @dsethlewis @BhupeshPrusty @ahandvanish @loscharlos In my ideal world, all conditions would be assessed for causality rigorously (as POTS was 👇🏽) & then further studied if shown. In real world, I see Long Covid community quite clustered ar
@angryhacademic That's why scientists do causal inference studies with large sample sizes & careful control of timeline. For instance this one with 200K+ medical records: https://t.co/aRvIavixiA https://t.co/kLhaf8M8hI
@robertwalker4 @AnnaSova17 @PostiesFF @AndrewKnack @ABDanielleSmith 3) But keep reading your articles from 2021 to make yourself feel better about taking part in a clinical trial with no long term data to back up its safety profile https://t.co/6BvygQqNze
RT @vijayiyer312: @elonmusk @EdKrassen @Dysautonomia Also: it's sometimes 💉 triggered. https://t.co/aRvIavixiA
RT @vijayiyer312: @elonmusk @EdKrassen @Dysautonomia Also: it's sometimes 💉 triggered. https://t.co/aRvIavixiA
@elonmusk @EdKrassen @Dysautonomia Also: it's sometimes 💉 triggered. https://t.co/aRvIavixiA
@LovelyT_31 I would share this paper & do the math on prevalence. Not rare! They reduced the time required to do temporal association, but still it anchors prevalence in the 1 in 1000 range. https://t.co/aRvIavixiA
@EatMyBreadd @stormchaseguide What's the basis for assuming the vax couldn't cause it to? For other outcomes examined closely, the answer is turning out to be *both* https://t.co/aRvIavixiA
@keepcalm_BetoOn @Cernovich @FrEdwardBeck @EricaRHill @jimsciutto @CNN https://t.co/xx8sHQCGPz Choose your poison
RT @vijayiyer312: @MikeDun00212873 @frandeebee Agree it's better to focus on specific outcomes. One adverse outcome is POTS which is quite…
@MikeDun00212873 @frandeebee Agree it's better to focus on specific outcomes. One adverse outcome is POTS which is quite objective (heart rate increases upon standing). That's been found to arise from either virus or vax. https://t.co/aRvIavixiA
@PatriotRealism @kevinnbass A lot of it is POTS which is objectively real:: heart rate increases upon standing. That's been found to arise after vax or virus. https://t.co/aRvIavixiA
RT @MdJpn: 大腿骨骨折の緊急入院が急増中。高齢者は大腿骨頸部骨折で入院すると、認知症進行、フレイル、寝たきりになりやすい。衰弱性自立神経系障害=姿勢起立性頻脈症候群も疑わないといけない。たしかに、突然脈が速くなると訴える患者にときどき遭遇する。これもC-VAD(コロワ…
@LibertyCappy Best data for one adverse outcome shows that *both* vax and virus can cause it. It's prob the same at risk population. Let's stop the culture wars and solve the real problem. https://t.co/aRvIavixiA
@Dulce4Progress @loscharlos @Bethenny I'm curious how she seemed to be anti-vax? If it was just stating that POTS (what she has) is a possible adverse outcome of the vax, that's now pretty well established. https://t.co/aRvIavixiA
@ChanceBGardener @aftab_usa Sorry to hear about your #postvac syndrome case. You.are not alone. It's hard to know how many of us there are when neither vax supporters nor antivax folk want to acknowledge syndrome cases. At least we now have significant dat
There is literally a large population level study comparing POTS after COVID and POTS after COVID vaccines. That Vance chose not to discuss this study is squarely his fault. https://t.co/32NM3RQnFW
@anettefri @sophieloehde @FranciskaRosenk @pederhvelplund Myocarditis does happen albeit less often in women. This dataset broke it down. https://t.co/aRvIavixiA
@rachelschraer Apparent risks of postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome (POTS) diagnoses after COVID-19 vaccination and SARS-Cov-2 Infection https://t.co/xTl66WSqt4
@vijayiyer312 @D_Bone & here's the correct mathematical analysis for the article ❤️ https://t.co/x4sOFePi4W
@D_Bone Imo the best approach is to stay anchored by data, especially now that there's a substantial dataset for at least one common outcome between the postvac & LC populations👇🏽. This scares off anti-vaxxers & conspiracy folks. https://t.co/aRvIa
@PaulGlasziou Not to take anything away from Bell's Palsy sufferers, but I think POTS is actually a more common and very debilitating outcome and is still not being recognized. https://t.co/U4JYeI5OKi
Oh, yeah turns out I have POTS. A year ago a cardiologist said, "this is dysautonomia" and prescribed blood pressure medicine but I'd been waiting to see a specialist w/dysautonomia experience and anyway it is obviously, classically POTS. https://t.co/ug
@kevinnbass Congrats on being a girl dad! If you want to head off unnecessary mental health dxs in (mostly) younger women including girls, join the fight to solve #POTS which for years has been dismissed as anxiety by inept docs. Your gen will do better! h
@loscharlos I hear you. At same time, I wonder why LC advocates aren't making more of this data which *did* find high rates in EHR data (being in a system that is POTS aware). https://t.co/aRvIavixiA
@kradmacher @dr_jon_l @ClareCraigPath This data suggests closer to 1 in 1000 for at least one serious outcome. https://t.co/aRvIavixiA
@anti_disease @dr_jon_l @ClareCraigPath There's a good study of one outcome, POTS (which has objective signs) https://t.co/aRvIavixiA
@johnkriby1 @dr_jon_l @ClareCraigPath I think spike has to be a candidate. There are some outcomes that seem primarily associated with mild cases, low dose does not make vax pathway unlikely. For one outcome 👇🏽, temporal association of both pathways has be
@DonCryptoDraper @TheChiefNerd At least myocarditis usually resolves within months. Not so much for POTS which btw seems to be happening far more often. If the vax skeptics want to get further, they need to discuss this data too. https://t.co/aRvIavixiA
RT @Jenn030303: @T14TT2 @DrAsifQasim @SangitaMyska @gmcuk @JosPearce @dr_barrett @ShrillaB Great thread on this topic https://t.co/OsZs8oH8…
@T14TT2 @DrAsifQasim @SangitaMyska @gmcuk @JosPearce @dr_barrett @ShrillaB Great thread on this topic https://t.co/OsZs8oH8Wb
RT @EricTopol: Postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome (POTS) can occur after Covid and in the 90-day period following vaccination. It is…
@kevinnbass I've offered you one multiple times, but you've declined to to engage with large scale data indicating that *both* vax and virus are causing significant adverse effects, let alone grapple with the implications. https://t.co/aRvIavixiA
@StMGP_Bayern @klausholetschek My German is schlect. But I wonder: is 1 in 1000 very rare in your language? This is just for one outcome that's fortunately now been well tracked, namely #POTS. https://t.co/aRvIavixiA
@ChloeWEARMASK @NBCNews Why? Other outcomes have been found that can arise from *both*. https://t.co/aRvIavixiA
@NBCNews Thanks for reporting on this. I don't know where it leads, but we need to follow all the leads without bias. Tinnitus may be yet another outcome that may arise from *either* the vax or the virus. Like myocarditis and POTS. https://t.co/aRvIavixiA
@MarcBrup @cdym8vrmy7 Post Vac ist ja keine eigenständige Krankheit. Genau wie Long COVID keine ist. In beiden Fällen kann zB POTS dahinterstecken:
@Loricatty @Neal53895744 @healingceline You’re right. We can’t give specific numbers. In studies, so far it seems to be under 1%. I agree more research into vaccine injury is needed. This study showed 0.004% POTS, 0.00008% myocarditis and 0.016% hypertens
@SabbySabs2 Not just tinnitus. This is what it did to me and many others I know. Still sick after 2 years. https://t.co/U4JYeI5OKi
@DrJBhattacharya Would students developing #POTS be able to sue in your opinion? This seems to occur somewhere between 10-100x as often as myocarditis per a quite large dataset. https://t.co/aRvIavixiA
@TravelBohemian @kevinnbass A growing number are talking about both https://t.co/aRvIavixiA
@kevinnbass How exactly is tachycardia amorphous? Does it only acquire shape when it's post-vax? https://t.co/aRvIavixiA
My sister has this and she can hardly function. She went to the emergency room yesterday and 20 hours later was admitted and got a room. 12 hours later she was dismissed from the hospital after seeing one doctor. Conditioned the same.
Apparent risks of postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome diagnoses after COVID-19 vaccination and SARS-Cov-2 Infection | Nature Cardiovascular Research https://t.co/DAir1Qj6FT
@msabouri @mentju4 @teaze_r @ajlamesa @kevinnbass Sent you one in my reply above covering both myocarditis & POTS, the maladies that tend to strike the young & active. Here it is again. https://t.co/aRvIavixiA
@maolesen @teaze_r She has POTS which has now has well characterized temporal association with the vax on the same order of magnitude as the virus. Your overconfidence is putting at risk two patient populations. https://t.co/aRvIavixiA
@JetRose7777 @kevinnbass Yep, *both* pathways exist. I'm sure Kevin will say one is psychological and the other physiological 🙄 https://t.co/aRvIavj588
@Ultracaustique @dysclinic Based on this work assessing both, it seems they're pretty independent. Dysautonomia happens far more often. https://t.co/aRvIavj588
@Kallina98273119 @Karl_Lauterbach @C_Scheibenbogen It's happening for sure, but overall less often than from the virus. There is data on one of the common chronic/syndromic outcomes now. https://t.co/aRvIavj588
@Jessiejamez420 @Petrroll @useless_priest Yes it's occurred to many of us that this one pathway to a disabling outcome. And it fact it's been documented as such. For the folks who are susceptible (identifying why exactly remains TBD), seems *both* the vax
RT @teaze_r: @DeryaTR_ @elonmusk @BillyM2k No, it WAS NOT the only side effect. Here's another one: that's what it did to me. https://t.co/…
@Marc_Veld Hi Marc, thanks for this summary. Another one appears to be POTS. Seems to be not so rare👇🏽. It only got an ICD-10 code in Oct 2022, so I fear we're playing catch-up on these events. Like the others: ot can arise from both vax & virus. ht
@Marc_Veld I thought this study was the most concerning one I have seen on side effects from the vaccines. https://t.co/2nVZJNEFkC
@DeryaTR_ @elonmusk @BillyM2k No, it WAS NOT the only side effect. Here's another one: that's what it did to me. https://t.co/U4JYeI5OKi
RT @vijayiyer312: @marwilliamson Thank you for lending your voice to those battling chronic #longcovid. Please do also consider those with…
@kmpanthagani VAERS seems like a lost cause. Even so, I'm curious how reports breakdown by: death vs acute morbidity vs chronic morbidity. I'm most concerned about the latter (#postvac syndrome), as its frequency appears to be in the same ballpark as chron
@marwilliamson Thank you for lending your voice to those battling chronic #longcovid. Please do also consider those with #postvac syndrome. There is now strong data for at least chronic outcome (#POTS) suggesting both pathways exist. https://t.co/aRvIavix
@dankellytweets @Yash25571056 Is this an anti-vax study? Suspicious journal? https://t.co/U4JYeI5OKi
@SweetBCBoi @j_b_kennedy @Andrew_070702 @JJ69399 Agree it's classic syndromic Long COVID. But the best data on POTS to date suggests a notable number of cases may arise from vax as well. https://t.co/aRvIavixiA
@EBRheum @zeynep @BenMazer @LCalabreseDO @jeffsparks @VPrasadMDMPH @adamcifu I have a research background & role , but in this context am a patient. More focused on pathophysiology studies vs epidemiology ones. That said: epi wise I prefer more target
@brownstoneinst @RMConservative Agree with Anne. We now have large-scale data on one of the key syndromic outcomes (POTS). Temporal association to vax and virus is clearly found. No need to mess with the big Long COVID symptom laundry list or to scrounge a
@j_b_kennedy @Rolo_Tamasi @TBD77 @DavidPNoble63 These are symptoms of the cluster of related diagnoses associated (in multiple studies, but here's one of nearly 300k people) with both infection and vaccination: POTS, SFN, MCAD. https://t.co/ugcjAPulTX
RT @vijayiyer312: For those just tuning in, #POTS happens 10-100x as often as the much-discussed myocarditis. There are now substantial sta…
@OtheFarm @Andrew_070702 POTS has been shown at high assocaition rate to *both* vax and (confirmed) virus. The main problem is that *doctors have been ignoring POTS* . I don't think we need to add virus/vax politics to the mix by speculating about asymptom
@Sheesh49 @Andrew_070702 Why would you do that? POTS has assessed at scale during the pandemic & temporal association was found with *both* the vax and virus. We need to take care of all patients in this both *regardless of cause*. https://t.co/aRvIa
For those just tuning in, #POTS happens 10-100x as often as the much-discussed myocarditis. There are now substantial statistics showing temporal association with *both* vax & virus. https://t.co/aRvIavixiA
@BenMazer And it may well be the case, despite the poor scientific ethics of the FL Surgeon General. Certainly the spike is a valid hypothesis for the common virus/vax adverse effect that happens 10-100x more often 👇🏽than myocarditis, so why not myo too?
@sassy_girl1000 @kevinnbass For sure, LC was happening before the vax. I think the best data is showing both vax & virus can be apparent triggers of some of the syndrome outcomes, e.g. POTS. https://t.co/aRvIavixiA
@narkosedoc @ejustin46 @FairyHolla "because it could be a confounding factor". For instance: POTS can arise from either and many think it has an autoimmune origin. https://t.co/aRvIavixiA
@kevinnbass Now somehow you think the post vax *dose dependent* adverse effects are real but the very same post viral outcomes are mask induced. Makes perfect logical sense 😵💫 https://t.co/aRvIavixiA
@inverari4 @MakisMD @AlastairMcA30 @drdrew @DrKellyVictory @AskDrDrew There is evidence of unexpected harms: the form of dysautonomia. But only unexpected because dysautonomias have been ignored regardless of cause. No more! Agreed: no evidence it has anyt
@stephaniemlee Good riddance! Now I hope there's oxygen for discussion of actual vax issues, such as #POTS. https://t.co/aRvIavixiA